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Posted by: ChiefCoop©
« on: February 17, 2017, 03:43:13 PM »

Here's the sticky wicket with NATO. It is made up of nations, some of which are our allies, and some are our enemies. But, when one attacks the other, we have to pick sides - in the same organization. See, NATO has allowed some nations, like Turkey, to join. At the time, Turkey was a sort of democracy, now it has become an Islamic nation.

In world politics, there is NO black and white, all are shades of gray. Some are more gray than others.
Posted by: SgtRock ®
« on: February 17, 2017, 02:57:23 PM »

You mean like oblowme saying that we would defend Iran in the event Israel launched an attack against them?  :rofl Something tells me that deal is already off the table!
Posted by: ChiefCoop©
« on: February 17, 2017, 01:48:48 PM »

Hey, Bob! That's what Trump said. We'll come to the aid of our ally, but they will have to pay for our services; and that payment must go to the treasury, not the leaders' pockets.

The problem with trying to be the world police force happens when our ally picks a fight with our enemy and we go to help the underdog (enemy) against our ally.
Posted by: bobalo59
« on: February 17, 2017, 09:57:09 AM »

NATO is bullshit, we have allies, they have borders, armies and navy's, its not our job to pay for their shit, or protect their shit. Its our job to HELP when necessary, not pay the fucking bills for their defense.
Posted by: John j
« on: February 16, 2017, 11:42:14 AM »

One would hope that's a misnomer ... I don't want the rest of the world calling us "the good ol US of A". Something bad always comes from it ...  :rofl :rofl :rofl
Posted by: SgtRock ®
« on: February 16, 2017, 09:36:20 AM »

Don't hold your breath, they know if SHTF good ol US of A will come save their worthless ass's again!
Posted by: John j
« on: February 16, 2017, 12:02:49 AM »

Yeah , we'll SEE how much those worthless fucks throw in the kitty ...  :headbang :headbang :headbang :headbang :mallet
Posted by: ChiefCoop©
« on: February 15, 2017, 04:19:40 PM »

Defense Secretary James Mattis on Wednesday said the time has come for North Atlantic Treaty Organization members to put up their fair share for their own protection and stop burdening America with the costs of defending Europe.

“I owe it to you all to give you clarity on the political reality in the United States and to state the fair demand from my country’s people in concrete terms,” Mattis said. “America will meet its responsibilities, but if your nations do not want to see America moderate its commitment to the alliance, each of your capitals needs to show its support for our common defense.”

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Secretary of Defense James Mattis tells NATO to Pay up!
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As if to underscore the stakes, Mattis spoke one day after Russia announced new exercises along part of its border with Europe. Russia also recently deployed a nuclear-capable missile, which the U.S. claims violates an arms control treaty.

Mattis delivered his ultimatum during a closed-doors meeting with NATO defense ministers in Brussels. Copies of his remarks were shared with the media.

President Donald Trump has often criticized NATO and its members. Mattis carried that message to the Europeans on Wednesday.

“No longer can the American taxpayer carry a disproportionate share of the defense of western values,” Mattis said.

“Americans cannot care more for your children’s security than you do. Disregard for military readiness demonstrates a lack of respect for ourselves, for the Alliance, and for the freedoms we inherited, which are now clearly threatened.”

Mattis made no effort to minimize the Russian threat.

“Fellow ministers, when the Cold War ended we all had hopes,” Mattis said. “The year 2014 awakened us to a new reality: Russia used force to alter the borders of one of its sovereign neighbors, and on Turkey’s border (the Islamic State) emerged and introduced a ruthless breed of terror, intent on seizing territory and establishing a caliphate. While these events have unfolded before our eyes, some in this alliance have looked away in denial of what was happening.”

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In theory, NATO nations are supposed to be spending at least 2 percent of their Gross Domestic Product on defense. Only Britain, Estonia, Poland, Greece and the United States do so.

According to a NATO report, France spends 1.78 percent of its GDP on defense; Germany 1.19 percent; Italy 1.11 percent and Turkey 1.56 percent. Some countries have said they will increase spending, but will not hit the 2 percent mark until 2020 or 2024.

An annual increase “would at least demonstrate good faith,” British Defense Secretary Michael Fallon said later, urging nations that could not meet the 2 percent level immediately to at least respond to Mattis’ comments.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg tried to soften the message.

“This is not the U.S. telling Europe to increase defense spending. This is 28 allies, heads of state, that all were sitting around the same table in 2014, and looking into each other’s eyes and agreeing that we shall increase defense spending. I welcome all pressure, all support to make sure that happens,” he said.